'There is not in the whole world a monster to be compared with a priest in the state of sin, for the unfortunate man will not bear with correction.'
-St. Jerome-
Over at the blog “Catholic in Brooklyn”, Church Militant TV's Michael Voris has once again (this is at least the 12th
time by my count) been the target of this blogger’s wagging finger. I don’t know what it is about Voris that sets
this person off, but a simple search of the “Catholic in Brooklyn” blog shows
PAGES of posts ranting about Michael Voris.
The post I am talking
about today is entitled “St. Catherine of Siena warns Michael Voris and the Catholic Blogosphere”. The blogger completely twists the meaning of words, scripture and our Catholic faith to attempt some sort of attack or correction of Michael Voris and other Catholic bloggers (that would include me because I do the same things as you'll see in the links to my own past posts on this issue) for reporting on priests in the Church who reject the Faith and teach heresy.
This blogger firmly believes Catholics are not allowed (by fear of God) to point out evil within the clergy(more on that later). But first the blogger wrongly accuses Voris of "manipulating" viewers because he shows videos of Catholic clergy and Catholics behaving in ways that are not Catholic [supporting and/or marching in gay pride parades]. The misuse of the word "manipulate" is only the beginning...read on and see for yourselves.
Of course this is wrong -and I said so in my comments left on the blog(see below).
Catholic clergy ARE participating in gay parades - I've done posts on it with photos of the priests AT the gay pride parades (see photo below):
And this has been going on for DECADES in the Church...
So I have just proven that "Catholic in Brooklyn" is WRONG about Voris "manipulating" people with false images. Catholic clergy ARE doing these things, Voris is right and Catholic in Brooklyn is wrong.
The only "manipulating" going on here is done by the Catholic in Brooklyn blogger who seems determined to attack Voris and other bloggers for reporting on Catholic clergy who are promoting MORTAL SIN. As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, this is not the first time Catholic in Brooklyn has taken shots at Voris and others who report on this issue. There is a clear and distinct bias from this blogger against any Catholics who point out heresy or other evils done by Catholic clergy.
The "Catholic in Brooklyn" blogger goes on to butcher the meaning of "persecute" to mean Catholics aren't allowed to condemn evil done by clergy because...God says so. If one looks at how "persecute" is used by the Catholic Church in our catechism it is clear those being persecuted are KEEPING the Faith, not those rejecting the faith. More: here.
See how "Catholic in Brooklyn" distorts the word and God himself to justify his/her personal beliefs and manipulating people into thinking he/she is making some sort of point. They aren't and don't.
To manipulate the word "persecute" in such a way is shameful and entirely wrong. Christ's priests are those doing God's Will, not heretics. You'd think the Catholic Church its self must have "persecuted" old heretic Martin Luther when he was a priest in the Church by this blogger's twisting of quotes and definitions!
Apparently this
blogger also believes Catholics are not allowed to speak against any evil done by
clergy- that we must keep silent and allow the evil to go on. I wonder if this applies to child molesting
priests in the Church too? Should we
keep our silence about them?
If we take
this particular Catholic blogger’s twisted personal interpretation of St.
Catherine’s quote then we MUST keep silent and not expose sexual predators in
our clergy.
Of course that is
ridiculous and disgusting!
So is keeping
silent about heretics in the Church who are leading people to HELL.
To keep silent is to ALLOW the evil to continue and spread.
"Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them." -Pope St. Felix III
The blogger over at "Catholic in Brooklyn" is 100% wrong in ALL he/she has written in this post.
We ARE our brother’s keepers and it is not just our right to speak out
against evil-even in the clergy- it is our DUTY. Saints in our Church's history have called out priests who do evil and they have not been "persecuting" God as this Brooklyn blogger seems to think.
'This is the way I am dealt with by the priests who are my betrayers . . . Their sentence is condemnation. David condemned those who were disobedient to God, not out of anger or bad will or impatience, but out of divine justice, because he was a righteous prophet and king. I, too, who am greater than David, condemn these priests, not out of anger or bad will but out of justice. Accursed be everything they take from the earth for their own profit, for they do not praise their God and Creator who gave them these things. Accursed be the food and drink that enters their mouths and fattens their bodies to become food for worms and destines their souls for Hell. Accursed be their bodies that will rise again in Hell to be burned without end. Accursed be the years of their useless lives. Accursed be their first hour in Hell that never will end. Accursed be their eyes that saw the light of heaven. Accursed be their ears that heard my words and remained indifferent. Accursed be their sense of taste by which they tasted my gifts. Accursed be their sense of touch by which they handled me. Accursed be their sense of smell by which they smelled delightful things and neglected me, the most delightful of all. May they be accursed by earth and sky and every brute creature. These obey and glorify God, whereas they have shunned him. Therefore, I swear by the truth, I who am the Truth that if they die like this with such a disposition, neither my love nor my virtue will ever encompass them. Instead, they will be forever damned.' -The Lord, to St. Bridget of Sweden
That all said, here is my comment I
left on the Catholic in Brooklyn blog:
Connecticut Catholic Corner February 9, 2015 at 9:18 AM "If the faith is in imminent peril, prelates ought to be accused by their subjects, even in public." -St. Thomas Aquinas
You're wrong about priests and gay parades. Catholic clergy are continually leading people into Hell over the issue of homosexual sins (gay sexual relationships).
See here: http://connecticutcatholiccorner.blogspot.com/2014/06/when-will-vatican-end-catholic-parishes.html
And here: http://connecticutcatholiccorner.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-catholic-priest-helps-people-go-to.html
And here: http://connecticutcatholiccorner.blogspot.com/2014/10/priest-i-am-coming-out-for-gay-equality.html
I could go on as Voris has because the examples go on and on and on.
Heretics in the clergy are leading people to HELL and that is something EVERY Catholic should worry about and attempt to stop.
"Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it; and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin than to encourage them." -Pope St. Felix III
"The greatest obstacle in the apostolate of the Church is the timidity or rather the cowardice of the faithful."-Pope St. Pius X
“If one yields ground on any single point of Catholic doctrine, one will later have to yield later in another, and again in another, and so on until such surrenders come to be something normal and acceptable. And when one gets used to rejecting dogma bit by bit, the final result will be the repudiation of it altogether.” - and - “What shall a Catholic do if some portion of the Church detaches itself from communion of the universal Faith? What other choice can he make if some new contagion attempts to poison, no longer a small part of the Church, but the whole Church at once, then his great concern will be to attach himself to antiquity (Tradition) which can no longer be led astray by any lying novelty.” quotes from St. Vincent of Lerin
And of course Canon Law is on Voris' side too:
"According to their knowledge, competence and prestige which they possess, [the Christian faithful] have the right and even at the times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful" - Canon Law 212 Section 3
I don't know why the "Catholic in Brooklyn" blogger insists on redefining words, manipulating quotes from Saints and "shooting the messenger"(Voris).
Voris is not creating the problem in the Church, he's exposing it and wanting it cleaned up.
The "Catholic in Brooklyn" blogger seems to prefer pointing fingers are Voris and other Catholic bloggers rather than the offenders themselves. Strange way to live out our Catholic faith which requires us to expose evil, not cover it up- even if its Catholic clergy doing the evil.
"If the faith is in imminent peril, prelates ought to be accused by their subjects, even in public."
-St. Thomas Aquinas
Just before finishing my post, "Catholic in Brooklyn" responded to my comment left on his/her blog...
You may well have good intentions Catholic in Brooklyn, but you are manipulating and warping everything because of your personal biases. If you believe what you just said to me, you MUST believe it is wrong to condemn priests who sexually abuse children and that the Church was in error to condemn Martin Luther for all he did.
Sorry "Catholic in Brooklyn" but you are dead wrong because they are your words that have twisted, redefined and manipulated Church teachings and quotes.
And because it isn't in my nature to simply shut up about such errors, this Catholic blogger isn't going to be silent. God will indeed be my Judge and I am good with that.
May the peace of the Lord be with you.
In Christ,
Julie @ Connecticut Catholic Corner
Julie again it is not me you are arguing with. I put very little of myself in that post. It was almost entirely, word for word, from The Dialogue by St. Catherine of Siena. Just as I answered you on my own blog, I will answer you here - take it up with God the Father, for St. Catherine of Siena says these are his exact words.
ReplyDeleteYes, there are sinners among priests, and apparently this was as true 800 years ago when St. Catherine wrote as it is now. And God the Father said that even worse than the sins committed by priests are those who attack these priests. God the Father calls these priests his christs, because they stand in place of Christ when they do the consecration. (And remember, consecration is valid even if the priest is in a state of mortal sin.) God the Father equates attacking these priests as attacking Christ, and therefore it is a direct attack against Him.
These are not my words. These are direct passages from The Dialogue.
When Our Lady of Fatima appeared, she warned that many sinners go to hell because no one prays for them. She didn't say sinners go to hell because no one is there to expose their sins. As laity, our job is to pray for our priests, not go on the internet and condemn them before the world.
I would highly suggest that you read The Dialogue and take this in deep prayer.
BTW, my name is Mary, making me a "she".
Greetings in Christ Mary (Catholic in Brooklyn), I can see by your comment here that you did not read my entire post.
ReplyDeleteWe are not to condemn GOOD priests doing the will of God. We certainly DO expose and condemn the actions of priests who are HERETICS and/or doing evil. How would YOU have handled Martin Luther in his day? How about clergy molesters? Would you condemn them?
You don't seem able or willing to distinguish between faithful priests doing the will of God and faithLESS priests rejecting the faith and thwarting God while leading people to hell. There IS a difference and it makes ALL the difference in the world to God.
In Christ,
Julie @ Connecticut Catholic Corner
Julie, again all I can say is read the words of God the Father as recorded by St. Catherine of Siena.
ReplyDeleteNo one is saying that there aren't sinners among priests, and very serious sinners. But God the Father told St. Catherine of Siena,
"For this reason, no one has excuse to say, "I am doing no harm, nor am I rebelling against holy Church. I am simply acting against the sin of evil pastors." Such persons are deluded, blinded as they are by their own selfishness. They see well enough, but they pretend not to see so as to blunt the pricking of conscience. If they would look, they could see that they are persecuting not these ministers but the blood. It is me they assault, jut as it was me they reverenced. To me redounds every assault they make on my ministers: derision, slander, disgrace, abuse. Whatever is done to them I count as done to me. For I have said and I say it again: No one is to touch my christs. IT IS MY RIGHT TO PUNISH THEM AND NO ONE ELSE'S."
Further, "the persecution as well as the honor is not (nor do I consider it) owed to them [the priests] but to me, that is, to this glorious blood of my Son, for we are one and the same."
And for those who insist on going after the priests, "But no fault on the part of the ministers of the blood can justify such persecution."
I can only keep repeating - it is not me you are fighting. You are fighting Almighty God.
OK Mary, so lets be clear, you are saying that child molesting priests are OFF LIMITS to everyone? No one can punish or condemn them -only God?
ReplyDeleteAre you deliberately missing the point?
ReplyDeleteThere is the Magesterium which is fully capable of dealing with bad priests and clerics. We have been given the duty to pray for these priests and bishops. Certainly if someone is criminal or in any way acting against the laity, we have the right and duty to report them to the bishop and more.
But we do not have the right to go on the worldwide internet and condemn them in front of the whole world.
God the Father, through St. Catherine of Siena, said that those who cannot understand this are deliberately blind.
I am not deliberately missing YOUR point, you are miss THE point.
ReplyDeleteThese wayward priests are PUBLICLY rejecting Church teaching and PUBLICLY leading people into sin by supporting and marching in gay pride parades.
Because these are PUBLIC actions, their correction MUST also be PUBLIC so that ALL those infected by their corruption can also be corrected and taught what is right. Their SIN of supporting MORTAL sin was done publicly and needs to in the same way be corrected publicly.
To correct them in a hush-hush private matter would do the public no good- it would allow the public to go on thinking mortal sin was A-OK with the Church.
The sin of scandal is also in play here for ALL these clergy who PUBLICLY support mortal sin and PUBLICLY reject Catholic teaching. They MUST be rebuked and corrected PUBLICLY so that ALL can see and learn from it.
In Christ,
Julie @ Connecticut Catholic Corner
Julie, you are absolutely right. Our duty is to shine the spotlight on any priest, bishop, cardinal and the pope if they are publicly expressing heresy or acting it out, which is a scandal. Mary, you should not be hanging you hat solely on the distortion of what Saint Catherine said but on the clearly delineated obligations on all Catholics in Canon Law, the words of many, many saints, the examples of many, many saints and other catholics over the ages to defend the Faith.
ReplyDeleteWhat about this blogger ? For Fr.Zuhlsdorf the dogma on salvation has 'evolved'.
ReplyDeleteFebruary 10, 2015
What about the dogma on salvation which has 'evolved' for Fr.Zuhlsdorf ?
What about the dogma on salvation which has 'evolved' for Fr.Zuhlsdorf ? If you can get rid of an infallible teaching you can get rid of anything. Hilary White on LifeSites quotes Cardinal Raymond Burke saying "I will resist".
Yes - but Hilary White(LifeSites.com) and Fr.John Zuhlsdorf do not resist when extra ecclesiam nulla salus is discarded due to their being known exceptions to the defined dogma ( even when these exceptions refer to deceased persons).
Of course the Eucharist should not be given to Catholics living in adultery and yes it should not also be given to Catholics who reject an infallible teaching in public.
-Lionel Andrades
February 10, 2015
Fr.John Zuhlsdorf made an objective mistake : irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/frjohn-zuhlsdorf-made-objective-mistake.html
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-i-will-resist-the-pope-should-he-contravene-doctrine?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=b036b89321-LifeSiteNews_com_Intl_Headlines_06_19_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0caba610ac-b036b89321-398478861
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/02/what-about-dogma-on-salvation-which-has.html
Public sin, public action, rather simple
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