Unfortunately, anti-Catholicism is alive and well. If you are a Catholic and haven't come face to face with this sort of hatred be aware it's out there. I don't think most anti-Catholics will say this sort of thing to your face (though some very fundamental evangelists will and have to me), but they don't hold back on the Internet. Here is what someone thinks of Catholics and our Church:
Frey writes: God hates Roman Catholicism, her popes shall burn forever with sulphur in front of the Lamb and His born-again followers. Praise God for His Word: He foretells all RC's shall burn with their popes with sulphur in front of the Lamb and His true followers, forever:
Rev 20:10 "And the devil, who deceived them,was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur,where the beast [the RCC cult] and the false prophet [her pope] had been thrown.They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
For encouraging the virtual worship of a dead woman instead of teaching God alone is worthy of prayer and worship. Catholics follow the pope only, who is but a man. Christians follow Christ and don't give a hoot what your pope says or claims. He's a fake and the sooner you realize that the sooner you can come out of her to follow the Lord and serve HIM in Spirit and in Truth.
My response: You have a very twisted view of what God hates and what scripture actually says by adding your own words "RCC cult" and "her pope" to scripture that isn't there. God does not "hate Roman Catholicism". Jesus Christ created the Catholic Church, it is a gift by the grace, love and mercy of God. It is not a "cult". Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church (Matt.16:18). He does not hate His own Church, He loves her and guides her by the Holy Spirit. You also claim that "her popes shall burn forever in sulphur", what a terrible thing to say. No one knows who will be condemned to Hell. That is for God to judge, not you or I. Certainly the Church has had some not so nice Popes in her history, but even so we should not judge the fate of anyone as it's not our place. The Church has had a great many wonderful Popes who have devoted and dedicated their lives to doing the Lord's will and serving others. It is appalling to me that you believe "all Roman Catholics with their popes shall burn with sulphur". What a horrid thing to say or believe about a group of Christians who belong to Christ's Holy Catholic Church. What makes you think simply being Roman Catholic is to be eternally condemned to hell? There is nothing even remotely in scripture which says anything like the things you claim. The scripture you quoted (Rev.20:10) does not name the Roman Catholic Church as "the beast" in any way, shape or form. You are changing scripture to fit your hatred (yes its obvious you have serious hate issues with Catholics) of the Catholic Church and Catholic people. Hate is not a Christian virtue and something you need to work on getting rid of. Christians are to love and forgive. We are to share our faith with others and live our lives as Christ taught. Christ didn't teach the hate you are speaking of. Catholics do not worship Mary (gosh if I had a dollar for every time I had to say that!). Catholics are Christians, the Pope is a Christian. He is doing the will of God and following God. Catholics follow God, we do not follow a man. The Pope is the physical head of the Catholic Church on earth, while Christ is the ultimate head of the Church in Heaven. Jesus created the position of the pope in the Gospels, it was His plan to have a pope on earth. In the Old Testament there was the Seat of Moses, in the New Testament it's the Chair of Peter. I don't know what you mean by "he's a fake". He is a real Christian leading a Christian life. Nothing fake there at all. I do not have to "come out" of Christ's Holy Catholic Church because He led me to His Church. I am a convert because our Lord led me out of Protestantism and it's confusion (30,000+ differing denominations and doctrines) and into His Holy Catholic Church. I am home and do worship God in spirit and truth. I hope one day you can too, but first you need to let go of all that hatred. God is about love, not the hatred you've shown for Catholics and Christ's Church.
My response: You have a very twisted view of what God hates and what scripture actually says by adding your own words "RCC cult" and "her pope" to scripture that isn't there. God does not "hate Roman Catholicism". Jesus Christ created the Catholic Church, it is a gift by the grace, love and mercy of God. It is not a "cult". Jesus promised the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church (Matt.16:18). He does not hate His own Church, He loves her and guides her by the Holy Spirit. You also claim that "her popes shall burn forever in sulphur", what a terrible thing to say. No one knows who will be condemned to Hell. That is for God to judge, not you or I. Certainly the Church has had some not so nice Popes in her history, but even so we should not judge the fate of anyone as it's not our place. The Church has had a great many wonderful Popes who have devoted and dedicated their lives to doing the Lord's will and serving others. It is appalling to me that you believe "all Roman Catholics with their popes shall burn with sulphur". What a horrid thing to say or believe about a group of Christians who belong to Christ's Holy Catholic Church. What makes you think simply being Roman Catholic is to be eternally condemned to hell? There is nothing even remotely in scripture which says anything like the things you claim. The scripture you quoted (Rev.20:10) does not name the Roman Catholic Church as "the beast" in any way, shape or form. You are changing scripture to fit your hatred (yes its obvious you have serious hate issues with Catholics) of the Catholic Church and Catholic people. Hate is not a Christian virtue and something you need to work on getting rid of. Christians are to love and forgive. We are to share our faith with others and live our lives as Christ taught. Christ didn't teach the hate you are speaking of. Catholics do not worship Mary (gosh if I had a dollar for every time I had to say that!). Catholics are Christians, the Pope is a Christian. He is doing the will of God and following God. Catholics follow God, we do not follow a man. The Pope is the physical head of the Catholic Church on earth, while Christ is the ultimate head of the Church in Heaven. Jesus created the position of the pope in the Gospels, it was His plan to have a pope on earth. In the Old Testament there was the Seat of Moses, in the New Testament it's the Chair of Peter. I don't know what you mean by "he's a fake". He is a real Christian leading a Christian life. Nothing fake there at all. I do not have to "come out" of Christ's Holy Catholic Church because He led me to His Church. I am a convert because our Lord led me out of Protestantism and it's confusion (30,000+ differing denominations and doctrines) and into His Holy Catholic Church. I am home and do worship God in spirit and truth. I hope one day you can too, but first you need to let go of all that hatred. God is about love, not the hatred you've shown for Catholics and Christ's Church.
1 Peter 4:8 "Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers a multitude of sins."
Perhaps by reading "Fifty years in the Church of Rome by Charles Chiniquy and "The Two Babylons" by Alexander Hislop, you may better understand those who hate the RCC. I love Catholics, but not the church I see as a false church. This is understandable by Catholics who hate what they believe to be false churches, isn't it? Read those you think you will disagree with, or you are destined to never grow beyond your borders.
ReplyDeleteOh, hi!
ReplyDeleteI was wandering about looking for propaganda of an anti-religious nature and ended up here.
I was actually trying to find out things about the Clarion Fund, its film "Obsession" being mailed out, and wanted to remind myself of the anti-catholic propaganda that existed during the 1960 presidential campaign.
There seemed to be certain things in common: insidious anti-American religious beliefs of a monolithic group of zealots.
I admired your post. I admire your bravery in the face of the furious beast.
Personally, I think one cannot really talk to haters, because their hatred is not based on words.
Their hatred has no face until they use books and words to flesh it out into a monstrous version of man; sort of a diseased creation myth.
Brava.
Anonymous posted two books which are staples in radical fundamentalist Protestantism. Another one of the most infamous individuals regarding ones beliefs as it relates to the Catholic Church is Jack T. Chick. A mere perusing of his website (http://www.chick.com/default.asp) will display his viewpoints in quite an uncompromising fashion.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, I was raised on Jack Chick's, Charles Chiniquy's, and Alexander Hislop's work. Each of these individuals, as one can easily observe by Anonymous's post, teach that The Roman Catholic Church is The Whore of Babylon mentioned in Revelation. This is due to a number of factors, notably Hislop's contention that Catholicism is a "disguised" form of paganism which is allegedly an outgrowth of old Egyptian and Babylonian pagan religions.
The verse in Revelation stating, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." Fundamentqalist Protestants routinely translating the word "mountains" to mean "hills." This obviously suggests that Rome is the Great Whore with the Vatican as its head.
For a primary example of Jack T. Chick's viewpoint of the Catholic Church, whom he appears to blame for almost every evil since the Church's inception, see the following link:
http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0114/0114_allinone.asp
Forgive the offensive content, yet it is also quite amusing considering the complete absurdity of the accusations made against the Church. Why some individuals choose to obtain their theology from a comic book is a mystery, although they attempt to proclaim it is biblical based due to Hislop's book, "The Two Babylons."
Strange indeed.
Hi - I'm Protestant but I have great respect for Catholics and the Catholic church in general. They have bravely stood up for their beliefs, many of which I agree with. It is sad that all Christians cannot see that, while we may have disagreements on some things, we really agree on the most important things and should come together in the spiritual body of Christian believers.
ReplyDeleteI am amazed at the number of websites spewing venom at both the Church and Christianity in general. Even certain US political parties ridicule the Church. There is a passage in scriptures that reminds us that Satan roams about the world seeking souls to devour. The despicable Satan is alive and well and so dwells in the hearts and minds of accepting humans. Satan takes many forms and is very tricky. Those of faith need to be wary. As far as public display of Satanic hatred, that is obvious and must be encountered. The Christ has promised that the "gates of hell will not prevail against His Church". The Church will go through many trails from both within and without, however when Christ, who is God, makes a promise, it will be kept.
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