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Sunday, February 15, 2015

Louie Verrecchio vs Michael Voris

It seems Michael Voris has stirred the hornets’ nest again with his latest episode of Mic’d Up in which he (in the 3^rd segment) takes on the “Reactionary Catholic Media”. Watch here:

I didn’t find anything wrong with what was said- nothing at all. That said, I knew by naming names, Voris was going to get heat over it. The response was swift, with Louie Verrecchio (Harvesting the Fruit of Vatican II) who was not named specifically responding the very next day believing he was an unnamed target of this Mic’d Up episode. Others soon followed: here. I received several emails about this episode of Mic’d Up and Louie Verrecchio’s response, so I followed the link and watched Verrecchio’s video response.

Tradwriter 25: Michael Voris almost gets the SSPX... from Louie Verrecchio on Vimeo.

I found nearly everything troublesome about this response, and quite frankly some of it I simply didn’t understand. I did agree with Verrecchio’s response to Pope Francis’ meeting and calling protestant Tony Palmer a “brother bishop”. Verrecchio calls this “irresponsible”, I would go further and say it was scandalous – I believe Pope Francis has on numerous occasions committed the sin of scandal. We both agree it was dangerous and false and it places souls in jeopardy. I completely agree. Most of what Verrecchio says after that point I disagree with.

Following his Palmer comment, Verrecchio indicates that he and Voris differ in their worry over where Catholics may go IF they leave the Church. Verrecchio says that Voris seems to be only worried Catholics are leaving the Church to join with the SSPX. Verrecchio says he worries that people are leaving the Church to join Protestant communities where there is no priest or Eucharist. He says, “Let’s be clear, the Blessed Sacrament at an SSPX Mass is without any question what so ever, the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ.”

I stopped the video there for a moment. What he said disturbed me greatly.

I know the Sacrament is the Real Eucharist, but how incredibly sad that Verrecchio seems to prefer a disobedient priest illicitly consecrate bread and wine to the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord against our Lord’s own Church authority. What a terrible sin! To abuse the priesthood by consecrating the Host against the authority of our Lord’s Bride…terrible.

I would be more frightened of offending my Lord by such a communion than to eat the mere bread at a protestant service “in remembrance” of the Last Supper.

Christ gave the authority to HIS Church to consecrate the bread and wine into His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity- for a group of wayward (I don’t care if they are well intended) priests to disregard the authority Christ gave to His Church and work under their own authority… well they aren’t much different than the heretic Martin Luther in that regard are they?

I can’t help but wonder how did our Lord feel when Martin Luther was consecrating the bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord outside the authority of the Church? I can’t believe He feels much different when the SSPX does it. The Church is Christ’s Bride…how dare the SSPX disrespect Her authority and boldly disobey Her in such a disgraceful way!

The very first sin in the Bible is disobedience…we’ve learned nothing if we continue to disobey.

Verrecchio goes on to discuss whether or not the SSPX are in schism- as if he’s unsure. I believe they are (see links below).

At this point, Verrecchio decides to give an analogy on what (he thinks) “submission” means (I have an entirely different view of submission, it's called obedience)– in his attempt to show how Archbishop Lefebvre was not guilty of schism because he didn’t have to submit to the Church because he (Lefebvre) “was convinced souls were at stake”.

Hmmm… I stopped the video again and I replayed this part several times. The excuse (I’ll get to the bizarre analogy in a moment) is Lefebvre simply HAD to ordain bishops ASAP because souls were in danger of damnation (I guess) if he didn’t create these bishops at that moment- without the approval of Pope JPII.

Now, for the life of me I don’t understand that at all.

How was going against the Pope, to ordain bishops going to help save souls? How does disobedience to authentic Church authority help a soul? These men went from Catholic priests to illicit bishops- how is that helpful to anyone’s soul?

I admittedly don't understand this point of view at all, nor how Verrecchio thinks this some how excuses Lefebvre. Perhaps Lefebvre didn’t believe the Church still had authentic authority from Jesus? Did he believe Jesus took away that authority and gave it to someone else? Ridiculous! Verrecchio goes on to say we really shouldn't bother discussing Lefebvre any more because he's dead and Jesus has judged him. I disagree, I think people could learn from the mistakes of the dead clergy in our Church history.

Now Verrechio’s analogy of two neighbors is (in my opinion) apples to oranges. Verrecchio says imagine one neighbor who strictly forbids anyone from entering his property or house.
This neighbor has authority and he's using it to keep people out. His neighbors “submit” to his authority because it’s his property and he has a right to dictate who can and can’t enter his property. So one day, a neighbor (I’ll call Mrs. Kravitz for obvious reasons) thinks she sees smoke coming from her neighbor’s house and calls him at work to get permission to enter the property and investigate the smoke (guess 911 or the fire department aren’t options). The guy tells her, no- stay out. A bit later, Mrs. Kravitz thinks she hears children screaming in the house, so she calls him again at work and asks for permission to enter the property. The guy again says “no-stay out”. This time, know it all Mrs. Kravitz ignores the order to stay out and enters the property only to find the dog has gotten into the flour (smoke) and the TV was on(screaming children). There was no fire, no danger, just overreacting and disobedience.

Now, there is so much wrong with this analogy I am not sure where to begin. First, Verrecchio is assuming that BOTH neighbors are equal and one is asking for “submission” by not entering his property. Well, I couldn’t help but think of the Garden of Eden. “You are free to eat of any tree in the garden except this one.” Submission is obedience. Disobey and you fall to sin.

The ‘neighbors’ in Verrecchio’s analogy –Christ’s Holy Catholic Church and the SSPX- are NOT equal. The neighbor who forbids entrance to his property had the authority, the other neighbor Mrs. Kravitz had ONLY the choice to “submit” to that authority or not. She decided she knew better and would act on her own to save the day! How very protestant-like this analogy was to me.

Did not Martin Luther do the same? He thought he saw a “fire” in the Church that only HE could put out. He would not submit to the Church. He would not obey the authority of the Church given to Her by Jesus Christ Himself. Instead he [Luther] set about to “reform” Christ’s Church without having the authority to do so.

I see the SSPX exactly the same way.

Well intentions will never trump obedience.

We must obey authentic Church authority- not those who break away in disobedience because they refuse to submit to the authority of Christ’s Bride.

Keep away from the SSPX until they humble themselves in submission to Christ's Bride. There is only ONE Church on earth that Jesus Christ gave authority to, and if you are in opposition to Her, you are in opposition to Him.
He will not forsake His Bride.

In Christ,

Julie @ Connecticut Catholic Corner

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FvQso_9Tk8

Link: http://www.harvestingthefruit.com/vorissspx/

Link(schism): http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/traditionalists-announce-definitive-break-with-catholic-church/

Saturday, October 18, 2014

Has Michael Voris finally had it with Pope Francis?

Several Catholic media outlets and bloggers are wondering if Michael Voris is finally ready to admit we have a problem and its name is Pope Francis.

Over at “Harvesting the Fruit of Vatican II” and “Mundabor’s Blog” the topic of Voris "finally seeing the light" is being discussed after a recent breaking news video from Voris in Rome.

From listening to Voris for years (Vortex+teaching videos) I personally believe Voris was as unhappy with Pope Francis as the rest of us from at least Holy Week [Voris has been VERY outspoken against women feet washing etc]. I’ve never spoken to Voris personally, so this is just my personal opinion from what I know of him through the Internet.

What people have to know is that deciding to NOT publicly call out a pope is NOT the same as supporting all a pope says or does. The message (months back) posted on Church Militant's website was clear. Voris would not publicly rip apart the Pope, as he does with other Catholic clergy. That was HIS line in the sand. People need to respect him for that.

How much HARDER it must be for him to keep his mouth shut if he feels as so many do about Pope Francis?

I wouldn't put myself in that position of suffering (and believe me it WOULD be suffering for ME to keep my mouth shut!), but Michael did and I believe it was because he didn't want to cause panic among the faithful. [Previous post I wrote on this HERE]

If HE, Michael Voris, caused wide spread panic through his Church Militant TV apostolate and he ended up being wrong, that would fall on him and he knows it. Voris is not an idiot. He is concerned not only with his own soul but the souls of others. He knows he has the ears of thousands of people through the Internet and he decided to use caution and drew a line in the sand for himself. I respect that. I have no such patience or self control when it comes to the Pope [or anyone else inside the Church] and for that *I* may well spend a very long, long time in purgatory.

Voris has thus far shown MORE concern for the Catholic faithful that a great many of our own Bishops have and certainly many Catholic bloggers- myself included.

I don't believe Voris is happy with much of anything coming from the Vatican these days - how could ANY devout practicing Catholic be? And perhaps one day Pope Francis will go 'too far' and Voris will call him out on it. If that day comes, it will be over a MAJOR INDISPUTABLE BLASPHEMY done -which we might all see in 2017 with the "celebration" of heretic Martin Luther and how the Pope (be it Francis or another) participates in that blasphemy. I don't think even Voris would hold back in such a situation. Time will tell.

Voris' videos this week clearly show he is exhausted, not just physically but I believe exhausted in the way a soldier is after years of combat – weary, but in no way finished fighting the battle.