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Monday, March 13, 2023

Church Militant removed my comment so I'm posting it here


As is my daily custom for years, I went over to Church Militant's website to watch the "Headline News" show and "The Vortex" which I enjoy very much. 

The "Headlines" producer Kim Tisor's first story today is "Poland Defends JPII's Legacy: Polish government votes to defend pope against cover-up accusations."   

After listening to this story I remembered years ago that when Pope Benedict was being attacked for the clergy abuse in the Church, the Vatican released documents proving that Pope Benedict as far back as the 1980's was trying to get rid of horrible abusers in the Catholic Church but was stopped by two things. Pope (Saint now) John Paul II and the 1983 Code of Canon Law. 

So in the comments area I shared two quotes and the titles of the Associated Press articles. In less than 5 minutes my comment was removed. 

Perhaps CM has a legal issue with that or a policy that people commenting aren't allowed to quote other news article, I don't know. They've got their reasons I guess. 

Since my mentioning these articles was removed on CM for Catholics to see or be reminded of, I'm sharing them here. 

From the Associated Press article entitled "Pope in 1988 sought to remove abusers faster"... 

Quote: 
"The Vatican on Thursday released documentation showing Pope Benedict XVI sought as early as 1988 to find quicker ways to permanently remove priests who raped and molested children but was rebuffed.

A 1988 letter from then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger could serve as the Vatican's best defense to date that the future pope wanted to quickly remove pedophile priests but found himself stymied by church law.

In the letter, republished in Thursday's Vatican newspaper, Ratzinger complained that church law made it exceedingly difficult to remove abusers if they didn't request to be laicized voluntarily. He asked to get around the problem by finding "a quicker and simpler procedure" than a cumbersome church trial to punish those priests who "during their ministry were found guilty of grave and scandalous behavior."

He was turned down on the grounds that the priests' ability to defend themselves would be compromised.

The documentation was included in an article in L'Osservatore Romano explaining an upcoming revision of church law, which was last updated in 1983. The Vatican has long sought to portray Benedict as having done more than anyone else at the Vatican to crack down on pedophile priests. But it has usually cited as his starting point a 2001 decision to have all abuse cases sent to his former office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The Feb. 19, 1988 letter shows he sought changes far earlier given that his office was already hearing from bishops who were having trouble dealing with pedophiles."[end quote]

Further down in the article it goes on to state that it was both Pope John Paul II and the 1983 Code of Canon Law that prevented the removal of abusive clergy. 

Quote: 
"As the clerical abuse scandal erupted earlier this year, Benedict was mired by accusations that as prefect of the congregation, he repeatedly refused bishops' requests to have abusers removed.

Ratzinger at the time was following laws and rules introduced by his predecessor Pope John Paul II, which largely left punishing such priests in the hands of local bishops, who often decided against conducting church trials because they found them too cumbersome.

John Paul had also made it tougher to leave the priesthood, hoping to stem the tide of thousands of priests who left in the 1970s to marry.

A consequence of that policy was that, as the priest sex abuse scandal arose in the U.S., bishops were no longer able to sidestep the lengthy church trial necessary for so-called laicization.

Rather than conduct the church trials or report abusers to police, bishops often moved abusers from parish to parish or sent them for counseling — actions which later resulted in lawsuits by abuse victims that bankrupted many U.S. dioceses.

Ratzinger's request for faster procedures was rejected by Cardinal Jose Rosalio Castillo Lara, who headed the Vatican commission responsible for implementing the 1983 code.

In a March 10, 1988 letter to Ratzinger, Castillo Lara said simplifying the procedures "would endanger the fundamental right of defense" of the priest while straying from the church's legal-based system, according to the letter reprinted in L'Osservatore."[end quote] 
After Pope Benedict's death just a few months ago, the Associated Press did another story entitled "While blamed, Benedict fought sex abuse more than past popes", relating to the above story. 



All that said, I do believe Saint John Paul II is a Saint. I just think he was in error and the 1983 Code of Canon Law was horrible. 

My comment on CM wasn't to bash Saint John Paul II, but merely to show that this uproar in Poland isn't new. The story about JPII's policies and abuse in the Church is an old one. 

And posting this here isn't to bash Church Militant either. About 90% of the time I agree with CM and I am a huge supporter of their Faith shows like "The One True Faith", "Case Files" and their old daily "The Download" (which Simon says is returning and I'm personally very happy about). So if you want to comment just to bash CM you're wasting your time. I know lots of people dislike them because of their take on the SSPX. Let's not make this post about any of that. This post is merely sharing articles from years ago about Pope John Paul II and the clergy abuse in the Catholic Church. 


In Christ, 

Julie 



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6 comments:

  1. Hello,after reading your article I can't see how you can still call John Paul a Saint. His decision probably caused other children to be molested by Clergy who would/should have been removed from the Church. The fact that trials would be too cumbersome is a lame excuse. I mean what are we talking about here? The clergy are representatives of Jesus Christ. Jesus said "what you do to my little ones you do to me" I don't need to state the consequences of the clergy in the after life.
    After reading that article I don't consider John Paul a Saint. Because of his actions many children were abused. Was it an error or something else?
    Most Saints take 100's of years before they are canonized. What was the rush to canonize Pope John Paul?
    If John Paul did this to prevent the scandal from coming out, it backfired. The fact that it was hidden was far worse than the scandal itself. That Clergy weren't punish for their crimes and moved from Parish to Parish without the Congregation being informed of why is a sin.The Church acted as a shield from prosecution by the local authorities.

    As far as CM removing your article because of the content, I have tried to post links and they were removed also. It's their policy I presume.

    God Bless!

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    1. Thanks for your comment and sharing your thoughts.

      I look to the point that the article made showing it was the Bishops who used a loophole in the 1983 Code of Canon Law to move the abusers around rather than remove them.

      Quote: "Ratzinger at the time was following laws and rules introduced by his predecessor Pope John Paul II, which largely left punishing such priests in the hands of local bishops, who often decided against conducting church trials because they found them too cumbersome."

      I don't believe JPII intended for the Bishop's to move abusers to new areas to continue to abuse more children. JPII trusted the Bishops to handle the abusers. On this, JPII failed, because he put his trust in unworthy Bishops.

      My reasons for believing JPII is a Saint and many, but one is actually found in Scripture.

      James 5:19-20 "My brethren, if any one among you wanders from the truth and some one brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins."

      This Scripture along with Luke 15:7... "In the same way, I tell you, there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance."

      Pope John Paul II was a great pope. People loved him dearly. He was an inspiration to many -especially after he got shot and forgave the man. He was not perfect, he made errors, but he without a doubt saved souls from Hell. He also had a great love for the Queen of Heaven and promoted enormous devotion to her. What I'm saying is, while he may have fallen several times along the way, he did great things out of love to save souls and inspired Catholics (and others) to love Our Lord and lead better lives.

      Finally, I didn't put any links on CM's comments area. I knew a link would get the comment kicked out. I merely quoted the article and gave the article title saying that any one who wanted to read the whole article could do a simple search of the title and find it as easily as I did.

      Thanks again for your comments. God bless.

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    2. Julie, OK I get your point. Thanks for the clarification.
      God Bless!
      Gerard

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    1. I'm sorry, how is it not helpful? I'm not aware of another option with Google blogs.

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