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Wednesday, August 29, 2018

The Michael Voris chatter


Catholic media is full of chatter after Vigano's testimony this weekend and the call for Pope Francis to resign. 

Part of that chatter is focused on Church Militant's Michael Voris for his sudden change of heart about criticizing a sitting pope. 

Full disclosure, I support Church Militant and believe they do a good job in defending and teaching the Faith - particularly when our clergy fail us. I also admire their bulldog attitude in going after corrupt clergy and not letting them get away with it. I think they are doing a very good job and I applaud them daily for their dedicated work. 

That said, I have on my blog disagreed with Church Militant on a few issues over the years. 

One of those times is when I voiced a different opinion on whether or not it is right to publicly criticize a sitting pope. 

My posts: 

    
     In this post, I look at The Remnant's writer Chris Ferrara, the late (God rest his soul) John Vennari of Catholic Family News, Louie Verrecchio of (at the time) Harvesting the Fruits of Vatican II, and myself after Church Militant put out their "manifesto" stating they would not publicly criticize a sitting pope.  

Church Militant's manifesto: 
Quote: “Faithful Catholics need help in persevering through their anxieties and doubts, not continual reinforcement and encouragement of those troubling states. Less faithful Catholics form their judgments of "traditional Catholics" through the lens of perceived dissatisfaction and unhappiness with the Church and the Holy Father. Those who relentlessly criticize the Church, Her leaders, and especially the Holy Father, do immense harm to the Church Herself and discourage both potential converts and those struggling to stay faithful through the crisis that is all around us. The sad reputation of "traditional Catholics" as angry dissidents from virtually everything in the Church today is as well deserved as the reputations of those rightly described as modernists. A line must be drawn when it comes to criticism of the Holy Father, even when he says or does things that would invite appropriate criticism when said or done by those of lower ecclesiastical rank. Errant priests and bishops can be replaced. The Pope cannot. It may make us cringe at times but it always was and always will be true that ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia. There have been extraordinarily awful Popes in the past but, for all that, the Church not only survived but thrived. The Popes immediately before, during and after the Protestant Revolt showed little recognition or understanding of the catastrophe unfolding before them (not unlike the post-conciliar Popes of our own time) yet, from such unpromising soil emerged an astonishing number of great Saints, and the Council of Trent.”
[note: the above quote taken from CM's website has since been either moved or taken down. The original link I have (as given in my blog post= http://www.churchmilitant.tv/faq/papalcriticism.php ) no longer works.] 

Soon after writing the above post, I received a flood of emails, some from Church Militant on the subject. I wrote about our email exchange on... 


In this post, after reading email discussions between Voris and others, I talk about the people who -seemed to me- to want to bully Voris into going against his conscience and criticize Pope Francis. While I disagree with Voris on a persons right to criticize a sitting pope, I defend Voris' right to set his own terms and limits to what he will publicly say about a sitting pope. My point was/is no one should be forced into saying or doing something their conscience tells them not to do. 

I did not get into who felt insulted by Voris' "ecclesiastical porn" judgment of other Catholic media outlets. I again disagree with Voris' take, as I am a daily reader of these outlets and have even been a subscriber to The Remnant paper- which I highly recommend. Each of these outlets hit back at Voris and stood their own ground very well. I couldn't have defended them any better than they defended themselves. More on this later. 

My posts... 


   In this post, I talk about a Vortex episode in which Michael Voris tells Catholics to "take a chill pill", ignore what the media reports about Francis and wait for the Vatican to tell us what the Pope really means when he says outrageous scandalous stuff. 

I couldn't disagree more with Voris on this and state my reasons in the above blog post. 

Now zoom ahead a year later and Michael Voris is himself calling for Pope Francis to resign. This of course, gave many Church Militant followers whiplash after all these years of being told to "take a chill pill" and "don't criticize a sitting pope" or you risk harming the Church and other people! 

Here are a few of Church Militant's current articles suddenly critical of Pope Francis... 


Quote: "Given the horror that has increasingly seized hold of the Church these past 50 years — and which has climbed to unimaginable heights under the pontificate of Pope Francis — now is the appropriate moment for the laity to offer comment, which we are rightly allowed to do according to canon law.
As many people know, Church Militant has taken great pains in the past to avoid public criticism of Pope Francis with regard to various confusing theological writings, interviews and off-the-cuff remarks.
Out of respect for the office of Pope, and so as not to induce scandal, we have dutifully left the work of publicly analyzing his theological content to those above us, more qualified to address those things specifically and those responses we have covered in great detail.
Likewise, we have made a point of steering far clear of any disrespectful or uncharitable comments denigrating the Holy Father owing to his theological pronouncements — but that was in the arena of theology.
The homosexual clerical sex abuse scandal and resulting cover-up is not theological at its foundation, but moral.
And in this arena, the laity are absolutely duty-bound to speak up, for while we may not all be theologians, each one of us is a moral being and will be judged by Our Blessed Lord on how faithfully we have lived in accord with that objective morality.
With that said, Pope Francis, Holy Father, for the salvation of your own soul, you must step down from the Chair of Peter and do so immediately."[clipped] 
  

Now Church Militant has decided it is the right time to criticize a sitting pope...this is not going over well with those Voris has condemned in the past. 

The Remnant is calling Voris out on his sudden change of opinion... "Now, after keeping silent on Francis’ continual violations Church teaching for five years, Voris suddenly rips the man he would previously piously refer to as “The Vicar of Christ on earth,” “The Supreme Roman Pontiff,” and “Sweet Christ on Earth” to absolute shreds."
 
I highly recommend reading Chris Jackson's The Remnant article in full:  

The Remnant isn't the only one calling out Mr. Voris. 

Hilary White has a few things to say also in her blog post "Wish you were here: Mike Voris, just man up and apologise" 
Quote: "I just wrote this ridiculously long thread on Twitter. I’ll only add that though I’m glad Mike has finally got on board, (video here) the way he did it was, to be perfectly frank and given all the crap he’s given a lot of people over the years, churlish and ungracious. Dude, don’t be that guy.
Taylor Marshall and Dom Betinelli have done the more manly thing recently – admitted they were mistaken and wrong to have attacked people who should have been their friends and apologised. Be like them.
I still like Mike, and still want to maintain good professional relations with him. And I look forward to more beer and songs at some point in the future when all is at least a bit better in the world. In professional terms, we go way back and I welcome him to the Super-Sekrit Club, and appreciate his incredible furious flying helicopter of fists now that the crunch seems to be here at last."[clipped] 
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I know this sounds lame, but as a Catholic woman just looking for good sound Catholic news, information and teachings on the Internet- I really, really, really wish everyone could just get along. 

What The Remnant, Church Militant, Catholic Family News and other Catholic media outlets and blogs have to offer is wonderful, inspiring, encouraging, uplifting and is often the glue that keeps so many of us sane in the chaos and mess of the Pope Francis Pontificate. We need your voices in the world today. Please try to sort out your differences and where apologies are needed, give them. 

God bless you all. 


In Christ, 

Julie @ Connecticut Catholic Corner 


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**My previous posts on Pope Francis and Michael Voris... 







Monday, June 27, 2016

Catholic bloggers get chastised by Church Militant


The pope spoke from his heart (A.K.A. "off-the-cuff" as opposed to pre-approved Vatican speeches) on a plane, and the usual chaos, confusion and mayhem ensued. From apologizing to gays for "offending them" with the faith, to calling priests "animals" the chaos continues. 

Most Catholics are used to this by now, we don't like it, but it is to be expected coming from Francis.  No surprise, just disappointment.

So Catholic media outlets (clergy and laity) opine their opinions, thoughts and feelings on what Francis has just said or done.  That's the point of opinion editorials, blogs, etc. 

For example: 

1) EWTN National Catholic Register (Msgr. Charles Pope): One Priest’s Concern About Recent Remarks by the Pope (*recommend)

2) LifeSiteNews: Pope Francis misrepresents the Catechism on homosexuality

3) The Catholic Thing: Francis Fatigue

4) Hilary White: Ho hum… another plane presser, another “SHOCK!! HORROR!!!”

5) Creative Minority Report: Ugh. What Did Pope Francis Say Now?

6) OnePeterFive: Pope Francis Doubles Down on “Who am I to Judge?”

7)  Re-Store DC Catholicism: From The Flighty Interview Department: Pope Says Christians Should Apologize To Gays For Not Coddling Them

8) Vox Cantoris: Jorge Bergoglio - You are a malefactor and unfit as Vicar of Our Lord Jesus Christ, for what it is worth, I denounce you!

9) Catholic Family News (J.Vennari): The Last Straw: Pope Says Christians should apologize for helping to marginalize gays

10) And my own post: Pope Francis on another plane answering questions...what could go wrong?




Today Church Militant has decided to teach us all a lesson in the First Cardinal Virtue: Prudence.  (*Note: No Catholic blog/website was called out by name by anyone on the panel*)  And to be clear about where I stand with Church Militant, I absolutely love CM's The Download and I respect the folks at Church Militant even when I disagree with them. Today is just one of those days. 

The first part of their show was very good, it was at about the 9:00 mark that things changed.  Christine Niles began by pointing out how lacking so many Catholic bloggers and Catholic website owners are in prudence because we don't wait (like CM) for the Vatican to clear up and clean up Pope Francis' statements.  

She says "there is a lot of zeal out there, but very little prudence" and "these Catholics are totally lacking in prudence"..."they don't wait until the dust settles to see, well does the pope change what he...correct himself", though she made it clear she believes we are "orthodox Catholics" and we "care about the Faith".  Michael excuses the pope by saying "he's a man and can make all kinds of goofs". 

Really Michael, "goofs"?  :/ 

The panel then moved on to question Catholic bloggers, asking what is your goal in having a blog?  They say they assume Catholic bloggers blog to share the Faith, but they question some Catholic bloggers intent because we "place doubt" in peoples minds about the pope. 

Some do have blogs to share the Faith.  Others just want to share thoughts and opinions on things- including the pope.  And still others just want to vent and there are probably many other reasons a Catholic creates a Catholic blog. 

Personally, I created this blog to battle the lies told about the Catholic Church and the Faith (see HERE and HERE and HERE).  Because I was a convert and once believe these falsehoods I wanted to be a voice out there telling people (protestants mostly because I came out of that) the Truth.  

And I think I still do that, but what I didn't expect when I began this blog was that I would be continually scandalized by Catholic clergy!  So my blog expanded to not only share the Catholic faith, but also to point out the errors that some clergy were clearly promoting (see HERE and HERE and HERE). 

Now here is where the irony sets in.  This is exactly what Michael Voris went through when he began his apostolate!  He's told the story many times.  Voris started out wanting to share the Catholic faith and teach people, but quickly he discovered corruption and errors and generally a mess inside the Church, so his apostolate evolved to exposing these stories- hence his motto "The Vortex where lies and falsehoods are trapped and exposed".  

So while CM refuses to publicly criticize a sitting pope (I respect their right to draw the line for their apostolate where ever they want) many other Catholic media outlets and blogs don't hold that same view. 

And for that, I guess we are labelled "totally lacking in prudence". 

If that is CM's opinion, that is fine with me.  We see things differently when it comes to the pope. 

In fact, I would say it is Pope Francis who needs the lesson in prudence... 
2088 The first commandment requires us to nourish and protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it. There are various ways of sinning against faith:Voluntary doubt about the faith disregards or refuses to hold as true what God has revealed and the Church proposes for belief. Involuntary doubt refers to hesitation in believing, difficulty in overcoming objections connected with the faith, or also anxiety aroused by its obscurity. If deliberately cultivated doubt can lead to spiritual blindness. [Catholic Catechism]
I guess you could say I also take my cues from some very wonderful Saints in the Church, like St. Robert Bellarmine.   




I honestly believe Pope Francis (and yes, as Hilary White wrote at The Remnant, he is our valid pope unless a future pope says differently: more on that HERE) is "a Ponfiff who attacks the body" and is in fact trying "to destroy the Church" with his bizarre proclamations- I really don't think I need to list them again.  I believe what Francis truly believes and thinks is what we get when he speaks "off-the-cuff", everything else is pre-written and pre-approved by the Vatican for him to say to make sure he says something authentic and orthodox.

That said, I want to be clear, I do NOT like having these thoughts, opinions and views on the pope.  I hate it. I want so much to love and trust this pope, but I do not.  And the sad truth is, I didn't from the moment he walked out on the balcony.  I knew nothing about him at all, but felt...something wrong from day one- my friends were very upset with me for daring to voice my unease about this pope- but that is another story for another time.  That first Holy Week, and those that followed, just reaffirmed my discontent with this pope and it continues today. 

I pray for the pope and I hope that one day I won't feel like this, but right now I do.  And I will use my Catholic blog to share not only the authentic Catholic Faith, but also my opinions and feelings on this (and any other) pope- even if that makes me "totally lacking in prudence". 

May God bless us all and give us strength.



In Christ, 

Julie @ Connecticut Catholic Corner 



Catholic Catechism: Prudence

1788 To this purpose, man strives to interpret the data of experience and the signs of the times assisted by the virtue of prudence, by the advice of competent people, and by the help of the Holy Spirit and his gifts.

1806 Prudence is the virtue that disposes practical reason to discern our true good in every circumstance and to choose the right means of achieving it; "the prudent man looks where he is going." 65 "Keep sane and sober for your prayers." 66 Prudence is "right reason in action," writes St. Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle. 67 It is not to be confused with timidity or fear, nor with duplicity or dissimulation. It is called auriga virtutum (the charioteer of the virtues); it guides the other virtues by setting rule and measure. It is prudence that immediately guides the judgment of conscience. The prudent man determines and directs his conduct in accordance with this judgment. With the help of this virtue we apply moral principles to particular cases without error and overcome doubts about the good to achieve and the evil to avoid.

1834 The human virtues are stable dispositions of the intellect and the will that govern our acts, order our passions, and guide our conduct in accordance with reason and faith. They can be grouped around the four cardinal virtues: prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance.

1835 Prudence disposes the practical reason to discern, in every circumstance, our true good and to choose the right means for achieving it.


Church Militant's The Download link: http://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/down-2016-06-27





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